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i think boehner has been more flexible. he just doesn't have control over his party. he has members in the congress who are willing to hold our economy hostage. they know that if we go over this cliff, we're going to go back into a recession. that last thing that our economy needs. so if they had taken the balanced field the president put on the talk where he would have been the first president to cut social security. it would have shored up confidence with businesses with the middle-class. it would have allowed us to start down doing meaning deficit reduction and it would have made sure the middle-class would not have a tax hike. >> the president has indicated a willingness to have that conversation but they said that was off the table. which is why it's not going to be final negotiation. the other point is, even with the new revenue the republicans have agreed to, this is how assinine this idea is, the president is not willing to commit the revenue to pin down the deficit. isn't the whole negotiation is by-product the debt talks from a year ago? isn't it supposed to
i think boehner has been more flexible. he just doesn't have control over his party. he has members in the congress who are willing to hold our economy hostage. they know that if we go over this cliff, we're going to go back into a recession. that last thing that our economy needs. so if they had taken the balanced field the president put on the talk where he would have been the first president to cut social security. it would have shored up confidence with businesses with the middle-class. it...
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>> he already has this covered, to boehner's great credit. he brought paul ryan in, eric cantor in, mccarthy in who might be the one -- >> the guy from california. >> yeah. and he brought them all in on this plan "b" and all on the negotiations. so he's covered there. he needs mcconnell. if he can get mcconnell and a couple senate republicans, then -- >> what about the body of 40 or so tea partiers who are holdouts. how does he reach them? the ones necessary for any kind of majority? >> he doesn't necessarily need them. if he can get senate republicans, then -- >> is that his game right now to go around his hard core right? >> it is. because then the hard core right isn't just blaming john boehner for all the troubles of the world. they're also -- >> can he allow the house of representatives to work its will with the minority of republicans? >> yes, he can. >> glen, is this your view? if we get a sol lux next week it's probably because a speaker allows a minority of republicans, maybe less than 100, to agree with some 120 democrats and out of
>> he already has this covered, to boehner's great credit. he brought paul ryan in, eric cantor in, mccarthy in who might be the one -- >> the guy from california. >> yeah. and he brought them all in on this plan "b" and all on the negotiations. so he's covered there. he needs mcconnell. if he can get mcconnell and a couple senate republicans, then -- >> what about the body of 40 or so tea partiers who are holdouts. how does he reach them? the ones necessary...
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boehner promised at one point he would publish things for three days before they voted on them. i thought that was a good idea. obama campaign promising the negotiations would be on c-span. what they're doing right now is fundamentally wrong and not likely to help very much, and just leads us to the next crisis, which will be over the debt ceiling, to be followed by another crisis. >> i'm going to ask you to stick around if you can. >> unfortunately, i can't, but i do want to wish you a happy new year despite the fact that you're in washington. >> mr. speaker, to you and the entire family, we wish you a happy new year as well. we'll see you back here in washington at some point, i'm sure. >> take care. >> thank you very much. we'll get senator rand paul's perspective on what's going on. the republican senator from kentucky, when we come back. i plugged in snapshot, and 30 days later, i was saving big on car insurance. with snapshot, i knew what i could save before i switched to progressive. the better i drive, the more i save. i wish our company had something this cool. you're n
boehner promised at one point he would publish things for three days before they voted on them. i thought that was a good idea. obama campaign promising the negotiations would be on c-span. what they're doing right now is fundamentally wrong and not likely to help very much, and just leads us to the next crisis, which will be over the debt ceiling, to be followed by another crisis. >> i'm going to ask you to stick around if you can. >> unfortunately, i can't, but i do want to wish...
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nada for boehner. on the debt limit president obama proposed a structure similar to what republican leader mitch mcconnell proposed last year. boehner wants to hold the nation's full faith and credit hostage once again to attain even more spending cuts. president obama even threw in an added incentive for republicans, by agreeing to a change in the way social security increases are calculated. no such olive branch was ever extended by republicans. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, is john boehner's move to reconvene the house a face-saving political move or a genuine effort to reach a deal? text a for political. text b for genuine effort. to 622639. or go to our blog at.msnbc.com. i'll bring you the results later in the show. joining me now is legendary congressman charlie rangel of new york. congressman, welcome to the show. >> thank you, doctor. >> speaker boehner is finally reconvening the house. but is this just so much posturing? is there anything substan
nada for boehner. on the debt limit president obama proposed a structure similar to what republican leader mitch mcconnell proposed last year. boehner wants to hold the nation's full faith and credit hostage once again to attain even more spending cuts. president obama even threw in an added incentive for republicans, by agreeing to a change in the way social security increases are calculated. no such olive branch was ever extended by republicans. get your cell phones out. i want to know what...
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according to politico, boehner had strong words for the senate majority leader quote, go f yourself boehner. as he pointed his finger at reid. reid a bit startled replied what are you talking about and boehner then repeated it. go f yourself. they didn't cut the deal. in the end it was vice president biden and the senate majority leader. what does this say about the inability to work together? >> i also like the fact according to that story that boehner then went around bragging to everybody he said that to reid. i think they were both at the bottom of the food chain here of decision makers. they were fighting at the bottom of the chain while mitch mcconnell and joe biden were putting together the deal. i think both boehner and reid in a way were powerless in this decision for obvious reasons. and they -- the white house -- i was told by david plouffe a month ago that he much rather would prefer to work with mcconnell than boehner. mcconnell knows how to play chess, boehner doesn't. >> he got his wish. >> and when i talked to the republican senators they said the same thing about harry reid
according to politico, boehner had strong words for the senate majority leader quote, go f yourself boehner. as he pointed his finger at reid. reid a bit startled replied what are you talking about and boehner then repeated it. go f yourself. they didn't cut the deal. in the end it was vice president biden and the senate majority leader. what does this say about the inability to work together? >> i also like the fact according to that story that boehner then went around bragging to...
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what do you think of that assessment of boehner's motivation? the presiding officer: the senator has that right. mr. mcconnell: madam president, you'll excuse me if i'm a little frustrated at the situation we find ourselves in, but last night president obama called myself and the speaker and maybe others from hawaii and asked if there was something weekend do to avoid the fiscal cliff. i say i'm a little frustrated because we've been asking the president and the democrats to work with us on a bipartisan agreement for months, literally for months. a plan that would simplify the tax code, shrink the deficit, protect the taxpayers, and grow the economy. but democrats consistently rejected those offers. the president chose instead to spend his time on the campaign trail. this was even after he got reelected. and congressional democrats sat on their hands. now republicans have bent over backwards. we stepped way, way out of our comfort zone. we wanted an agreement, but we had no takers. the phone never rang. and so now here we are five days from the
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i feel sorry for john boehner. the reality is he's leading a house which is actually looking to not the 53% of americans that want do not want to see the yes go around the fiscal curve which is what the polls are showing but that's a national poll. the reality is, they're going back to districts where they are actually, you know, frankly, reporting to a very small percentage of the american public. and so we're not -- that's why the sonation is different in the senate and the house and that's really the problem that john boehner has. >> we are up against a very hard deadline here. i want to bring in the co-chair of the house progressive caucus. democratic congressman, keith ellis. right after this. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, and he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't roc
i feel sorry for john boehner. the reality is he's leading a house which is actually looking to not the 53% of americans that want do not want to see the yes go around the fiscal curve which is what the polls are showing but that's a national poll. the reality is, they're going back to districts where they are actually, you know, frankly, reporting to a very small percentage of the american public. and so we're not -- that's why the sonation is different in the senate and the house and that's...
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could or could not do and the talks were focused between the president and speaker boehner. when he was unable to get enough votes for his idea to have the income tax threshold be at $1 mi million and when that did not work, he insisted that the senate begin to act. politically that is important, because they want to see how many democrats are on board and will all of them join in, and how many senate republicans and especially the more conservative members and members up for re-election in 2014 and how many of them would be prepared to go forward, and then that gives boehner more muscle to try to get enough of his republican members to goal along. in the house, they will need house democrats, and they will need republicans. so there is a mechanical part of this. there is a plit will cal arm wrestling part of this, and there is what will unfold over the next 24 hours in how can they reach a deal. sources in both parties are telling me that part of the sticking point right now is where to set the income threshold and what happens to estate taxes. speaker boehner is saying tha
could or could not do and the talks were focused between the president and speaker boehner. when he was unable to get enough votes for his idea to have the income tax threshold be at $1 mi million and when that did not work, he insisted that the senate begin to act. politically that is important, because they want to see how many democrats are on board and will all of them join in, and how many senate republicans and especially the more conservative members and members up for re-election in...
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boehner reserved judgment, did not say public opinion. boehner can't go over cantor on this one. he needs cantor to back him up on any final deal, right? >> what they're attempting to craft is something to get to 218 votes which has been an elusive target in this 112th congress. but i sensed that if they came up with something that was responsible and reasonable and laid down the marker on spending that we'll be there with the spooeker. >> going forward, do you think -- how many folks in your conference would support the bill as it is right now? >> that's hard to say. but it certainly wouldn't be the majority. the majority i don't know if you'd hit triple digits. i can only speak for myself that if the bill came up in its current form, i'd vote for it because i think it's unreasonable to hold hostage 95% of america and say you're getting a tax cut because we can't get our business taken care of. that doesn't mean i think it's a good bill. it would be a hold your nose and jump off the platform vote. >> so you think the number obviously boehner wants the majority. but for anything
boehner reserved judgment, did not say public opinion. boehner can't go over cantor on this one. he needs cantor to back him up on any final deal, right? >> what they're attempting to craft is something to get to 218 votes which has been an elusive target in this 112th congress. but i sensed that if they came up with something that was responsible and reasonable and laid down the marker on spending that we'll be there with the spooeker. >> going forward, do you think -- how many...
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plan b from boehner. now plan c. unemployment extended for 2 million people and finally, as you just talked about, a small amount of spending cuts, enough to shut off the sequester. but not major kits. not major changes to medicare. that would be kicking the can down the road to next year. they're running out of time. final point is that a source familiar with the meeting on the white house side tells us that the president in this meeting is telling lawmakers if you don't have a counter to the three points i just laid out, bring my proposal up as the final plan for an up or down vote. a games manship from the president. we're running out of time so you have to vote on something. number two, if house republicans vote the president's plan down and we go off the cliff the president would blame republicans and say i had a plan, the republicans couldn't pass it. there's a blame game here. >> that's why he would do it. he can say i came up with a plan, you voted it down. it's not my fault. he can come back in january and f
plan b from boehner. now plan c. unemployment extended for 2 million people and finally, as you just talked about, a small amount of spending cuts, enough to shut off the sequester. but not major kits. not major changes to medicare. that would be kicking the can down the road to next year. they're running out of time. final point is that a source familiar with the meeting on the white house side tells us that the president in this meeting is telling lawmakers if you don't have a counter to the...
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boehner gets what he wants. the tea party gets what they want which is a no vote. >> sean: you are not happy about it are you? >> i'm not happy at all. the deal we will be hurt, the american people, your children, my grandchildren they are the ones that will pay for this with the is sequestration for their standard of living for the next 20 years and we can't act like this is a victory when it is a defeat. >> sean: if they are playing washington games why are they even there. they weren't elected to play games like this. they were elected to govern. this is frustrating. you know why? then we have the debt ceiling coming up. what excuse will they come up? >> they will not cut spending. harry reid, nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, they are not going to cut spending. >> sean: how about the republicans? >> i hope the next time the republicans don't get rolled like they will be rolled the next 48 hours. >> sean: in one sense, joe, i got to give your president a lot of credit. he went out there, went out campaigning. he d
boehner gets what he wants. the tea party gets what they want which is a no vote. >> sean: you are not happy about it are you? >> i'm not happy at all. the deal we will be hurt, the american people, your children, my grandchildren they are the ones that will pay for this with the is sequestration for their standard of living for the next 20 years and we can't act like this is a victory when it is a defeat. >> sean: if they are playing washington games why are they even there....
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boehner decided not to do that. now, i think there's clearly some sort of personal -- they don't know how to talk to each other, the white house and boehner. they just don't know how to negotiate with each other. biden and mcconnell do know how to speak to each other. and i think if they get 75 or 80 votes in the senate for what they come up with, and you know what? they're not that far apart on this fix, if you will. basically, they seem to be divided on whether to buy down the sequester. but they're not that far apart. and if they get 75 or 80 votes, that's going to mean 30 to 35 republicans. boehner has to put it on the floor. and boehner doesn't have to -- boehner really doesn't have to support the deal, but he does have to put it on the floor, and it will pass. >> michael steele, take it to robert gibbs. and it's great that some of these people can talk to each other, but they still have to go back to those who don't want to play ball, correct? >> that's exactly right. and that's the reality that we've lived wi
boehner decided not to do that. now, i think there's clearly some sort of personal -- they don't know how to talk to each other, the white house and boehner. they just don't know how to negotiate with each other. biden and mcconnell do know how to speak to each other. and i think if they get 75 or 80 votes in the senate for what they come up with, and you know what? they're not that far apart on this fix, if you will. basically, they seem to be divided on whether to buy down the sequester. but...
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it seemed by putting it on boehner to some degree it feels like harry reid is trying to use boehner to sort of get under mitch mcconnell's skin. do we think that's working? >> you know, really, karen, what you see is what you get here. we're in the am not, are too kind of stage of the school yard fight. seriously. we often see the two leaders square off like this on the floor of the senate. they just have a bigger audience this time and the stakes are exponentially higher than usual, but this is the kind of dysfunction that has led us to this point. what we are likely to see, as luke is reporting, the house come in. they can hardly stay out of town when the nation does go over the cliff. as seems increasingly likely at this point. and what we will undoubtedly see is a last minute flurry of activity, i'm going to go out on a limb, that will amount to a lot of approximates touring and covering of backsides to ensure the other side gets the maximum amount of blame. yes, there will likely be meetings and a flurry of phone calls, but the bottom line and luke has reported quite accurately, t
it seemed by putting it on boehner to some degree it feels like harry reid is trying to use boehner to sort of get under mitch mcconnell's skin. do we think that's working? >> you know, really, karen, what you see is what you get here. we're in the am not, are too kind of stage of the school yard fight. seriously. we often see the two leaders square off like this on the floor of the senate. they just have a bigger audience this time and the stakes are exponentially higher than usual, but...
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earlier reports of this story had it john boehner would be on hand, but john boehner is not even in washington, d.c., and a spokesperson told us they haven't been invited. so figure that out. who will follow as it continues to break but right now a meettng with congressional leaders on the fiscal cliff with the president on hand tomorrow, friday, and we will shirk over that. i put different topic. even if you aren't a frequent flyer, my next guest says you can enjoy the perks of being one. like being upgraded to first class and it is not as hard as you think. now, rick, have waited for this segment for the whole show because i wanted that elite status but i don't fly enough to really earn it. so tell me, how can i get that elite status without doing all the work were spending all the money? >> typically the one bad problem with elite status if you have to fly. you don't have to fly very much. we'll give you an example of how my wife achieved elite status in one trip but typically a big difference between the miles you get on your credit card and bonuses and vendors to those you can use to rede
earlier reports of this story had it john boehner would be on hand, but john boehner is not even in washington, d.c., and a spokesperson told us they haven't been invited. so figure that out. who will follow as it continues to break but right now a meettng with congressional leaders on the fiscal cliff with the president on hand tomorrow, friday, and we will shirk over that. i put different topic. even if you aren't a frequent flyer, my next guest says you can enjoy the perks of being one. like...
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those who don't like boehner, don't love boehner, they love paul ryan. he was whipping plan b. so paul ryan, probably the most high-profile guy who could be a consensus candidate getz boehner. he's not running against barren. he's not even interesting. >> if the president get this through, and it i know it's a big if -- he has to know goes yags. >> you're always going to have to include john boehner. he's speaker of the house. i think you're making a fair point that the power of house republicans to drive the debate is being underquestioned right now. people are going to look to this experience as to how john bane err may or may not be able to drive this discussion. >> sam, on this kind of deal, there's always last-minute horse trading. things get thrown on the paper and the base finds out and gets upset. what gets him upset when he's trying to get it done by the end of the year. >> the likely thing that will get him peaked would be the tax rates. my guess is that in the process of trying to hammer out this deal it gets raised to somewhere around 400, maybe $500,000. i think th
those who don't like boehner, don't love boehner, they love paul ryan. he was whipping plan b. so paul ryan, probably the most high-profile guy who could be a consensus candidate getz boehner. he's not running against barren. he's not even interesting. >> if the president get this through, and it i know it's a big if -- he has to know goes yags. >> you're always going to have to include john boehner. he's speaker of the house. i think you're making a fair point that the power of...
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most 6 this should be on boehner's shoulder. his chamber is where tax and spending bills are supposed to emerge. maybe it's because they are working out details and boehner doesn't want to get burned again. >> leigh gallagher from "fortune" magazine, thanks for sticking around, by the way. >> sure. >> harry reid also said he's had his confidence, this is a quote, he's had his confidence destroyed on other occasions so i hope it's not on this occasion, too. a lot of people have had their hopes dashed here, the markets we were just talking about. obviously, people who are looking forward to maybe paying at least the same amount of tax next year. do you think the markets will take some confidence in this or are these kinds of statements just going to lead to more uncertainty and more turmoil when we hit monday? >> i don't know. we're just three, four days away. this is almost becoming like the boy who krild wolf. i think at this point it's not -- i don't want to say it's better to go over the cliff but if we can put a more responsi
most 6 this should be on boehner's shoulder. his chamber is where tax and spending bills are supposed to emerge. maybe it's because they are working out details and boehner doesn't want to get burned again. >> leigh gallagher from "fortune" magazine, thanks for sticking around, by the way. >> sure. >> harry reid also said he's had his confidence, this is a quote, he's had his confidence destroyed on other occasions so i hope it's not on this occasion, too. a lot of...
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boehner who said it was up to the senate, someone else's problem. just from a pr perspective, what john boehner has done here is a debacle for the republicans. and the white house, they've just been sitting back the last week or so and letting it happen. but today, they gave us their plan going forward. you could call it deal and jam. >> i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that could pass both houses in time. senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. but if an agreement isn't reached in time, between senator reid and senator mcconnell, than i will urge senator reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an up or down vote, one that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends the vital lifeline of unemployment insurance to 2 million american looking for a job, and lays the groundwork for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction. you guys, i can hear you over there. i believe such a proposal could pass both houses with bipartisan majorities. as long as thos
boehner who said it was up to the senate, someone else's problem. just from a pr perspective, what john boehner has done here is a debacle for the republicans. and the white house, they've just been sitting back the last week or so and letting it happen. but today, they gave us their plan going forward. you could call it deal and jam. >> i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that could pass both houses in time. senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an...
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you know, john boehner is going to have to take a big chance. the strategy all along, frankly on the part of the white house, and certain leaders in the senate was to simply box him in. remember, it was a week ago when john boehner put that bill on the floor, his so-called plan b, more than a week ago to raise taxes only on those individuals making more than a million dollars a year. obviously, that crashed and burned. and so the question if he couldn't get that through his gop caucus here in the house of representatives how on earth is he going to do something that sets that threshhold even lower? so really, the threshhold question, is john boehner as the republican speaker of the house going to allow a bill to pass of this magnitude with primarily democratic support? and i think that is an open question at this point. but the strategy all along was to sort of box him in. and have the senate -- you know, they get 70 senators on this point, it is bipartisans, democrats and republicans alike, then john boehner will have to go to his people and sa
you know, john boehner is going to have to take a big chance. the strategy all along, frankly on the part of the white house, and certain leaders in the senate was to simply box him in. remember, it was a week ago when john boehner put that bill on the floor, his so-called plan b, more than a week ago to raise taxes only on those individuals making more than a million dollars a year. obviously, that crashed and burned. and so the question if he couldn't get that through his gop caucus here in...
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we are not into the senate yet and the republican speaker john boehner plablamed the crisis one president saying he the one who has never found a way to say yes. >> so you are in new york and i'm in atlanta, and we get to washington now, because the senior congressional correspondent dana bash is closely following the negotiations from capitol hill, and dana, you have been there and talking to people, and where are we on this? >> well, the senate majority leader harry reid was on the floor moments ago saying that the senate will reconvene at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow. the senate will reconvene tomorrow at 11:00 tomorrow, and that means no senate votes tonight which is not good news for everybody looking at the calendar and looking at the watch at this point and not the calendar to see that it is midnight tomorrow night that everybody's taxes in this country will go up. simply put, both sides are not at a place where they believe that they can come up with anything to put on the senate floor for a vote tonight. they will give it until the actual deadline, december 31st tomorrow, to reconvene. ho
we are not into the senate yet and the republican speaker john boehner plablamed the crisis one president saying he the one who has never found a way to say yes. >> so you are in new york and i'm in atlanta, and we get to washington now, because the senior congressional correspondent dana bash is closely following the negotiations from capitol hill, and dana, you have been there and talking to people, and where are we on this? >> well, the senate majority leader harry reid was on...
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so john boehner retains this gavel. is it -- why should he even want the -- i'm surprised he wants it. >> well, i think, perhaps, you know -- if we're going to look at the other side for a minute, maybe he's looking at this. yes, in a weakened state. but does this not give him an opportunity now to say, you know what, i tried it your way, far right. i'm going to take bills to the floor, even if they don't have majority republican house support. and really shoot for some grand compromises. maybe he does go back to the old school way of how he used to be, which was, you know, trying to strike the grand bargain and going across the aisle and such to get big issues done. frankly, it's going to be really hard to get issues like immigration, gun control -- >> it is. and i guess my question -- who talks to the white house? who will negotiate for the republican party on capitol hill? john boehner said it's not going to be him. >> exactly. john boehner actually said, i'm not going to have one-on-one meetings with the president a
so john boehner retains this gavel. is it -- why should he even want the -- i'm surprised he wants it. >> well, i think, perhaps, you know -- if we're going to look at the other side for a minute, maybe he's looking at this. yes, in a weakened state. but does this not give him an opportunity now to say, you know what, i tried it your way, far right. i'm going to take bills to the floor, even if they don't have majority republican house support. and really shoot for some grand compromises....
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boehner has been embarrassed. he could not get the vote of his own caucus, of his own conference to pass a benign piece of legislation, a piece of legislation that protected everybody up to a million dollars. i don't know how you get more embarrassed than that. now, i hope that these guys can get together, these men and women can get together and do something before january 1st. but i'd check those airplane logs if i were you. if they're really serious, they're going to say you're going to get the final word. >> and i'm creating this dynamic of making it difficult. john boehner was not embarrassed. the house works its will. to try to put it ins terms of being embarrassed, misses the whole point. >> and i remember that well because i had a school feed trip to the national zoo that was canceled because the government shut down. so you've robbed your young kids of access. thanks so much for coming on the program. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> up next, capital cliffhanger. behind the scenes in the fiscal cliff n
boehner has been embarrassed. he could not get the vote of his own caucus, of his own conference to pass a benign piece of legislation, a piece of legislation that protected everybody up to a million dollars. i don't know how you get more embarrassed than that. now, i hope that these guys can get together, these men and women can get together and do something before january 1st. but i'd check those airplane logs if i were you. if they're really serious, they're going to say you're going to get...
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not john boehner. john boehner's allowed himself to be captured by the fellows. he is above and beyond that. i think he's basically trying to do the right thing but he can't get a vote out of his own party for his own legislation. who does he turn to? the president of the united states? more worried about getting a proposition from the president to turn down then what proposition is he talking about? i think the president has been more than willing to compromise and the democrats in the house of representatives. we need 30 votes to get beyond our 190 that we have now. 191 in the house and 218 to pass anything. i think if harry reid does it, fine. let him do it. we need to think of what the country needs more than what each party does and concerned about the election on january 3rd? if nothing happens, he may have to worry about the election, john boehner. what i would advise him to do, he doesn't seek my advice, let me give you some advice. be what you want to be. do what you have to do. and democrats will support you if you do that. >> do you think at this point
not john boehner. john boehner's allowed himself to be captured by the fellows. he is above and beyond that. i think he's basically trying to do the right thing but he can't get a vote out of his own party for his own legislation. who does he turn to? the president of the united states? more worried about getting a proposition from the president to turn down then what proposition is he talking about? i think the president has been more than willing to compromise and the democrats in the house...
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it's a wonder that boehner didn't drop the "f" bomb more. the irony here is boehner could lose the job trying to make a deal. harry reid will likely keep his job. boehner is a bore for being blunt and telling the other guy to his face, but reid is an angel for being phony. and referring to rip the other guy only behind his back. this isn't about a speaker losing it. this little exchange is more about a phony decorum that tries to hide it. what is weird is both like boehner an cantor are called fiscal stiffs on the cover of the "new york daily news" for having serious issues with a rescue bill for sandy victims because it wasn't going to just sandy victims. but democrats happy to sign a $60 billion blank check are saints, saying they are happy to tap it to repair smithsonian museum roof and plant trees in ohio. untold millions for items with nothing to do with sandy. not exactly dancing. it's a wonder boehner didn't curse more. more of a wonder why the media didn't wish he did. that is not fair and not right. it's wrong. would it kill us to g
it's a wonder that boehner didn't drop the "f" bomb more. the irony here is boehner could lose the job trying to make a deal. harry reid will likely keep his job. boehner is a bore for being blunt and telling the other guy to his face, but reid is an angel for being phony. and referring to rip the other guy only behind his back. this isn't about a speaker losing it. this little exchange is more about a phony decorum that tries to hide it. what is weird is both like boehner an cantor...
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, accusing him of running a dictatorship in the house. >> speaker boehner is not willing to negotiate. we have not heard a word from leader mcconnell. nothing is happening. >> reporter: mitch mcconnell, the top republican in the senate, said it's reid who hasn't reached out for weeks. >> the phone never rang. and so now here we are, five days from the new year, and we might finally start talking. >> reporter: but talking about what? so far, reid has not introduced the scaled-down bill he was reportedly working on over the christmas holiday. sources say that bill would extend the bush-era tax cuts for americans making less than $250,000 a year. with the clock ticking, reid pointed a finger at the house of representatives, which still hasn't returned to washington. >> i can't imagine their consciences. they're out wherever they are around the country, and we're here trying to get something done. >> reporter: from his home in ohio, speaker boehner called on the house to come back this sunday, december 30. that's just one day before the fiscal cliff deadline when income tax cuts and payro
, accusing him of running a dictatorship in the house. >> speaker boehner is not willing to negotiate. we have not heard a word from leader mcconnell. nothing is happening. >> reporter: mitch mcconnell, the top republican in the senate, said it's reid who hasn't reached out for weeks. >> the phone never rang. and so now here we are, five days from the new year, and we might finally start talking. >> reporter: but talking about what? so far, reid has not introduced the...
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reid, mcconnell, boehner and pelosi. . joining me to talk more, we have peter alexander standing by at the white house as well as nbc's mike viqueira on capitol hill. some verbal smackdown, basically flipping the lights back on and harry reid taking to the floor to eviscerate speaker boehner. >> the sad part is you often seen the floor opened that way. mitch mcconnell being later today. i'm sure we'll hear something later. to hear it two days after christmas and a matter of days before we go through the fiscal cliff, obviously not encouraging. harry reid says time is running hout. he doesn't know if they could go through the legislative hurdles. if they have the votes around here, they can legislate the sky is green and the grass is blue. that's not an issue. what harry reid is really saying is mitch mcconnell, get on board, don't try to filibuster. of course they're talking about a bill that had raise capital on couples making more than $250,000 a year, and do a few other nuts and bolts that are deemed the bare minimum th
reid, mcconnell, boehner and pelosi. . joining me to talk more, we have peter alexander standing by at the white house as well as nbc's mike viqueira on capitol hill. some verbal smackdown, basically flipping the lights back on and harry reid taking to the floor to eviscerate speaker boehner. >> the sad part is you often seen the floor opened that way. mitch mcconnell being later today. i'm sure we'll hear something later. to hear it two days after christmas and a matter of days before we...
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boehner and the boys? what's the rush? ♪ >> first of all, we want to say merry christmas. >> president obama is cutting short his christmas break with the fiscal cliff looming large. >> the fiscal cliff gets closer. congress now has six days left to make a deal. >> aloha, hawaii. >> to my republican colleagues, the ronald reagan model is if you get 80% of what you want, that's a pretty good day. >> they were this close. they were this close to a solution. >> he's going to get tax rate hikes. >> are we going over the cliff? >> i believe we are. >> be republican and be conservative and pass a bill that cuts tax. >> boehner has no control over his extreme right wing faction. >> should anybody's taxes be raised at this point? answer yes or no. >> no. no. ♪ >> we begin as president obama and the senate head back to washington set for one last effort to avert the first fiscal cliff. aloha means good-bye for the president as he packs bound for the white house tonight. the president cutting short his vacation leaving michelle
boehner and the boys? what's the rush? ♪ >> first of all, we want to say merry christmas. >> president obama is cutting short his christmas break with the fiscal cliff looming large. >> the fiscal cliff gets closer. congress now has six days left to make a deal. >> aloha, hawaii. >> to my republican colleagues, the ronald reagan model is if you get 80% of what you want, that's a pretty good day. >> they were this close. they were this close to a solution....
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again, boehner couldn't get it through his caucus at $1 million a year last week. so i think what we need to do ultimately, not going to happen now because there's no time to have a grand deal but ultimately, we have to have a grand deal where we have to cut spending and increase taxes and we have to do that to put our country down the fiscal path of responsibility. now, the question though, it becomes a political question in the house, because john boehner has not wanted to pass it with democratic votes. there have been, just last year, there have been instances, where a majority of republicans, but not enough to make a majority are joining with -- >> let me just interrupt you -- >> -- to make a majority. >> let me ask you this point, this is more to the philosophy of democracy here. do you see that we have an inability as congress to reach some sort of compromise? in other words, that we are watching the decay of democracy here in our inability to do anything or accomplish anything, especially when it comes to the fiscal cliff. are you worried about the future an
again, boehner couldn't get it through his caucus at $1 million a year last week. so i think what we need to do ultimately, not going to happen now because there's no time to have a grand deal but ultimately, we have to have a grand deal where we have to cut spending and increase taxes and we have to do that to put our country down the fiscal path of responsibility. now, the question though, it becomes a political question in the house, because john boehner has not wanted to pass it with...
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than john boehner. marco rubio in the senate is calculating his 2016 primary and thinks there's something there. you know, the problem really is the bigger picture is the democrats are the ones who keep becoming reasonably saving the day, putting the votes over the top. this gop leadership is failing the country. it's not just that there's no ko home invasion. there's no strategy or plan to do anything different. john boehner and eric cantor had their chance to actually come up with a more reasonable package and didn't. >> ari, i thought that john boehner showed a little courage there. he was almost -- if you will, going against so many republicans and saying you know what? there aren't a whole lot of spending cut, but the country cannot go over this fiscal cliff because tens of millions of americans could see their taxes going up. he did the right thing in terms of wanting to prek so many. >> at the end of the day, the speaker's job is to be the most reasonable person in the house and the person has to
than john boehner. marco rubio in the senate is calculating his 2016 primary and thinks there's something there. you know, the problem really is the bigger picture is the democrats are the ones who keep becoming reasonably saving the day, putting the votes over the top. this gop leadership is failing the country. it's not just that there's no ko home invasion. there's no strategy or plan to do anything different. john boehner and eric cantor had their chance to actually come up with a more...
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essentially what john boehner is saying, you go first, harry reid. harry reid is trying to jam mitch mcconnell into allowing this vote to go forward without the 60-vote threshold, something that's necessary for virtually every vote here in the senate and mitch mcconnell says it's time for president obama to lead. the threshold question is, can something pass the house of representatives? can john boehner put something on the floor that needs the majority of democrat support that will not get republican support and none to speak of that would allow taxes to go up for people making more than $250,000 or 400,000 as was in the president's last offer and the answer to that question remains very, very unlikely. so we are where we are. this ain't schoolhouse rock, that's for sure. it's not like the house passes a bill, the senate passes a bill. this is a stand yau and the looks like the ultimate version of white house gridlock. >> right. and you mentioned the threshold. we have senator murkily on later today to talk about how crucial the filibuster is. i wa
essentially what john boehner is saying, you go first, harry reid. harry reid is trying to jam mitch mcconnell into allowing this vote to go forward without the 60-vote threshold, something that's necessary for virtually every vote here in the senate and mitch mcconnell says it's time for president obama to lead. the threshold question is, can something pass the house of representatives? can john boehner put something on the floor that needs the majority of democrat support that will not get...
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at this point, speaker boehner remains in ohio. the house will be coming back on sunday. >> trace: molly henneberg, thank you. then there is the dairy cliff. by next week we could be paying 7 bucks a gallon for milk. the price could jump to more than twice the current average, $3.65 a gallon. it goes back to a true manner are a law where the u.s. government buys mass quantities of milk. >> what happened is in the senate, they approved the farm bill but the house of represents hasn't. what happens under the 1949 law is if the new bill isn't passed january 1, the government is obliged to buy huge quantities of milk at twice the wholesale value. farmers will sell all their milk to the government and create a shortage in the stores. lobbyist say this is easy for congress to fix. >> the farm bill is like this low hanging ornament on the congressional christmas tree. if they embrace it they can come up with tens of billions of dollars in budget savings and figure out where else they need to cut spending after that. >> reporter: now, the
at this point, speaker boehner remains in ohio. the house will be coming back on sunday. >> trace: molly henneberg, thank you. then there is the dairy cliff. by next week we could be paying 7 bucks a gallon for milk. the price could jump to more than twice the current average, $3.65 a gallon. it goes back to a true manner are a law where the u.s. government buys mass quantities of milk. >> what happened is in the senate, they approved the farm bill but the house of represents...
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dy call john boehner the top elected democrat in the country. he's the top-elected republican in the country. jessica, thank you for that reporting. we'll be back to you in a few moments. in a few hours, in just a few hours, trading will open in some parts of the world for the final time this year. here's the problem -- they're going to be reacting to what's going on in washington. people around the globe are going to be watching what is happening in the united states with a wary eye, cnn international anchor jim clancy is with me now. jim, this is such a hyper-focused american problem and yet it's really a problem for the whole world. >> it definitely is. if mitch mcconnell is looking for a dance partner. the united states is the dance partner for the entire world. the markets hate uncertainty what they hate even more is steering abject failure square in the face. those markets are going to open up in four or five hours' time we should see some limited reaction in asia. but perhaps not yet. it's still uncertain what is going to happen here. the
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we support boehner. but look, if there was some revolt, if this thing is real and people will start mentioning ryan and it builds and builds and builds, i mean would he be somebody who said no to that? >> i think he would say no very quick. he might have other plans perhapses in 2016 and running for speaker, win, lose or draw would be bad for all those plans. i consider are this rahmer to be a three beer rumor which is after about the third beer people like we should replace boehner and that sounds like a good idea and repeat that enough and then it becomes a rumor. look, the staff i talked to on the hill, even the members i talked to and even the members against boehner on plan b there is no true conversation to replace john boehner as speaker right now. >> laura: wouldn't that also be, chip, you you can stay on this, wouldn't that look disasterrous for republicans in the middle of the fiscal cliff thing they throw boehner over the edge or start the process for removing boehner? seems if anything, again
we support boehner. but look, if there was some revolt, if this thing is real and people will start mentioning ryan and it builds and builds and builds, i mean would he be somebody who said no to that? >> i think he would say no very quick. he might have other plans perhapses in 2016 and running for speaker, win, lose or draw would be bad for all those plans. i consider are this rahmer to be a three beer rumor which is after about the third beer people like we should replace boehner and...
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boehner can't come to agreement. as much as a 10% unemploymenttyn rate, because both as president and republican parties parties, as you can seema here, they aret playing at the margin in thecust national media is not focusing washit the reality is. they are just playing games. right along th the folks in washington. this president is guilty of class warfare. for hat? are you kidding me?ma. prident obama seems to love reat the drama. i thought he didn't like drama. the reality is that there will be so little impact on our fiscal future. the after all of the drama and whateeer the outcome, we remaih in great jeopardy. because this isn't a fiscals. future. this is not something that any of us want. don't you love it? a lame-duck session of congress. they areon the ones who have to steer us away from the fiscal cliff. joining us tonight, governor jo jo mike hi hi ♪(whistling tune) ♪("don't worry be happy") we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets hear
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boehner said he wanted to abide by, speaker john boehner has seemed to throw that to the wayside. as i mentioned, supporting this deal himself. as opposed to the mood, it was funny, john boehner, eric cantor, mccarthy, they made this decision not to speak on the house floor about this deal tonight. who did we hear from? from nancy pelosi, taking a victory lap, which i think says a lot about how both sides feel about it. at the end of the day it is about the law of the land, and after all the twists and turns, folks on both sides are breathing a sigh of relief. tomorrow when they wake up, they will know the majority, they know the taxes will not go up. the financial markets i'm going to guess are going to react positively to this deal. there >>> this deal we have in place, while it makes permanent the tax issue that will be taken off the table for a long time, this is just the first of three with the big fights that will occur on capitol hill. the debt limit in early march, a government funding bill ahead of that. there is a question about the automatic spending cuts. the sequester
boehner said he wanted to abide by, speaker john boehner has seemed to throw that to the wayside. as i mentioned, supporting this deal himself. as opposed to the mood, it was funny, john boehner, eric cantor, mccarthy, they made this decision not to speak on the house floor about this deal tonight. who did we hear from? from nancy pelosi, taking a victory lap, which i think says a lot about how both sides feel about it. at the end of the day it is about the law of the land, and after all the...
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i think that hurt them, boehner. i think that's why boehner is being controlled, unfortunately, by the right wing. i agree with bernie sanders. very sad. i believe that boehner's a good man and wants a deal done and impossible with these folks. >> the finger's not only pointed at the republicans and the tea party caucus but also to some democrats. here's one of your republican colleagues this morning. take a listen to what she said. >> sure. >> everything -- it's just about scoring political points and i know that the american people are tired of that. they're tired of all of us. i understand that. we just make -- used car sales men look good. that's the only group below us. we have to get our act together and prove to the american people that we can regain the trust that they once had in us and get the job done. >> yeah. the perception -- go ahead, please, congressman. looking at the can kicked down the road by both sides. >> let me be clear. she is a very good friend of mine and i understand her point of view. but
i think that hurt them, boehner. i think that's why boehner is being controlled, unfortunately, by the right wing. i agree with bernie sanders. very sad. i believe that boehner's a good man and wants a deal done and impossible with these folks. >> the finger's not only pointed at the republicans and the tea party caucus but also to some democrats. here's one of your republican colleagues this morning. take a listen to what she said. >> sure. >> everything -- it's just about...
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i don't think he is going to vote for boehner. because the hurricane sandy money, big money new york and new jersey held up, here is king. go. >> these republicans have no problem finding new york when they are out raising millions of dollars. he they are in new york all the time filling their pockets with money from new yorkers. i'm saying right now anyone from new york and new jersey who contributes 1 penny to congressional republicans is out of their minds because what they did last night was put a knife in the back of new yorkers and new jerseyens absolute disgrace. >> bill: so king is not voting for boehner. he is cass straght his own party. >> well, i wouldn't say that. this was spoken in a heated moment; it was the same reheated moment. in essence, the same cast of characters from the new york, new jersey delegates met with speaker boehner a short while ago and it was all hashed out and the money for sandy victims for hurricane sandy relief is going to be voted out of the congress in two stages. the final vote on january 15
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i think speaker boehner did well through this. i'm a fan of this and i think he will be re-elected as speak. they are taking out frustrations on him when he manages a difficult process. >> bret: kirsten? >> it's not pro or anti-boehner situation as much as why was it get to this point? why couldn't they have -- why so much pork in it. why so much spending that is meant to go and relieve the problem. >> who controls this -- >> it started in the senate. >> you be i'm saying this is the disflux of washington -- dysfunction of washington. they didn't know this was coming out of the senate? can people talk to each other? >> corruption of the word. idea of emergency. this will happen quickly and because earmarks are harder to get. no one knows that passes in midnight. they have done the right thing to hold it up. >> next up, fiscal cliff deal, bill, soon to be law. and the debt ceiling fight to come. look what mommy is having. mommy's having a french fry. yes she is, yes she is. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. 100% vegetab
i think speaker boehner did well through this. i'm a fan of this and i think he will be re-elected as speak. they are taking out frustrations on him when he manages a difficult process. >> bret: kirsten? >> it's not pro or anti-boehner situation as much as why was it get to this point? why couldn't they have -- why so much pork in it. why so much spending that is meant to go and relieve the problem. >> who controls this -- >> it started in the senate. >> you be i'm...
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how does john boehner come out looking after what happened over the past four weeks? guest: it is hard to see anything positive. he took on the negotiants for the republicans. he failed to get his own house to come along. plan b, clancy, -- plan c, and now he is seated negotiants to harry reid. -- negotiations to harry reid. it is certainly possible that he may have trouble getting reelected as speaker. he may get 20 or so to party boats to vote against them or not vote at all. i could stop him from being reelected. host: what are the pitfalls for harry reid and mitch mcconnell? guest: mcconnell is up for reelection in 2014. if he agrees with the white house on something, particularly tax increases, it will hurt him in his election. remember rand paul -- mcconnell has less room to maneuver. for harry reid, a lot of his reputation is on the line. can he put something on the floor of the senate that some democrats will support? guest: the biggest loser is the unemployed and those trying to get jobs. that is what this is about. really, people need to step back and realiz
how does john boehner come out looking after what happened over the past four weeks? guest: it is hard to see anything positive. he took on the negotiants for the republicans. he failed to get his own house to come along. plan b, clancy, -- plan c, and now he is seated negotiants to harry reid. -- negotiations to harry reid. it is certainly possible that he may have trouble getting reelected as speaker. he may get 20 or so to party boats to vote against them or not vote at all. i could stop him...
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he has to figure out a deal that gets through the senate and doesn't make john boehner look too bad in the house and there are a lot of conservatives in the house that don't want to do any type of deal that would raise taxes on anybody even though they'll go up on the entire country the first tax hike in 20 years after monday night. >> and one would also assume that mitch mcconnell would have to back a grant, he could face a primary fight if this thing -- >> you touched on one of the great sub plots of these entire negotiations is personal things that boehner and mcconnell have in these negotiations. obviously, mcconnell doesn't want to have someone on the right come after him because he was in favor of a tax hike and john boehner's re-election as speaker of the house. and that would come across as a vote of no confidence. very embarrassing and they don't expect it happening and there's a lot at stake for mitch mcconnell and john boehner personally. great point you brought up. >> if the senate fails to come up with something, does the president have the votes? >> reporter: if harry rei
he has to figure out a deal that gets through the senate and doesn't make john boehner look too bad in the house and there are a lot of conservatives in the house that don't want to do any type of deal that would raise taxes on anybody even though they'll go up on the entire country the first tax hike in 20 years after monday night. >> and one would also assume that mitch mcconnell would have to back a grant, he could face a primary fight if this thing -- >> you touched on one of...